49 thoughts on “With new proposal, Trump offering things base ‘might not love’: NYT reporter”
Bow to your master Trump..libtards
Well, you got what you voted for. He said he would run the country like he runs his business. Corruption, lies and out of control spending. He has doubled the deficit and robbed every department of their funding to pay for all the shit he is doing. He wants to be a dictator and he doesn't care if it's over a 3rd world country on the brink of financial collapse. That's where he's the most comfortable…taking something for nothing and leaving when things get tough. He has said in regards to all his spending…I wont be here. That's what he thinks about the country and what he is doing to it…he will not be here for the consequences so what does he care. Which tells you not only how he feels about the country of which he is the leader, but also about his family that will be here. He is an empty POS.
It wouldn't be a compromise if some of the base did not love it. Sure you can call it a temporary extension, but any such extension makes a permanent one more likely.
Trump is the voice for the normal working class. Finely after many years jobs come back and pay check go up. Not all can live off blogging. Time too Wake up and see how mutch he loves USA. History will shame the lefts agenda. MAGA
The Black female correspondent couldn't put a blazer on or a suit to match everyone else as a "political corespondent"?
He has nothing to offer. He did shut down the goverment and thats it. Now he has to accept the consequences. We are not in a turkish bazar, Mr. Trump. I can' t see that you are even worried about the security of your country. Stop with the constant DRAMA you make out of everything. Don' t behave like a Mafioso. You are now sitting in the W.H., forget your criminal past and act like a honest president. That is what the americans deserve. You are not running your business, where you can decide what to do and how to do it.
Senator Kamala Harris, D. Cali., is running for President in 2020.
No money for the wall!!! Get it from Mexico as you promised
Classic Liberal Media Bias – The program completely forgot to invite ANY viewpoint of Trump Republicanns!!! Just watch the first five mins for proof and tune off!!! Screw legal immigrants who are waiting their turn in the legal immigration line outside the US borders in their home countries for years and years by repeatedly voting for illegals to cut the line and illegally get ahead. This liberal media NEVER covers the viewpoint of legal immigrants whose lives are being trampled upon by illegal-supporting-democrats.
Trump!
You don't want Trump to say it so I will. Your pooling together grasping at any lie you can get to ruin Trump. So I say screw you and just report the truth. Or are you all so immersed in this sludge pool of filthy lies to drag yourselves out.
A laughable non-negotiated "negotiation." Mr. Guiliani's task is socializing America and his base in particular (who dismiss any real life events not covered or delivered on their own state media) to any and every thing he does. Ironically, the same crowd that would have impeached Mr. Obama at the drop of a hat for FAR less. Why? It is because Mr. Trump has tapped into emotional triggers that are widespread due to the unresponsiveness of both political parties to ordinary Americans. They see no alternative. They hope for the future. The GOP has betrayed them BUT they're still hoping their wishes and lives are "right around the corner." The DNC seems to be waking up but no one knows for sure what they stand for — aside from their laundry list appealing to EVERYONE ironically meaning MISSING OUT on most of America's geography. As evidence mounts, "SO WHAT?" is the best hope of Mr. Trump and the 2019 unravelling GOP power….GOP never stands for anything — except kissing the butt of their party leader. A designed for failure to anyone who still has working eyes. Even so, what about the neglected American geography of the DNC? 2018 was a promising start….but no more than a start….WHAT are they going to do for ORDINARY AMERICANS when they control one House of Congress???
Im sorry but where are they getting these percentages from? They said "29% only supported strongly". Who did they survey and how many? I wonder. Also they should start using "in my opinion" rather than trying to make false statements.
The USA is a democracy. The majority of the US has opposed the fence. Why don't these news outlets cover that ?? We defeated a dictator before, at a great loss. Is that what this ineffective Senate wants ? Its time to INVOKE the XXvth !! Rush, Coulter , who cares what these radio hacks say ?? Seriously ??
There's nothing new about his offer. He screwed the daca program and the courts have stopped him, so that's a nothing offer.
The parade of rwnj media personalities has already expressed disapproval.
As soon as Dems even begun to discuss his proposal, the goal posts WILL move.
That's why they won't. He's an untrustworthy negotiator. That's why the Dem house approved GOP funding bills as soon as they could. They'd pass the Senate by a 2/3 majority & they know it.
Rhe GOP is a craven group of political liars under the thrall of a textbook fascist.
Why wouldn't his base love Trump's fake offering? First he cancelled DACA and TPS and now he's willing to wait another 3 years (while its tied up in court anyway) to deport them, in return for a permanent wall. The sneaky plan that Trump, his son-in-law, his Chief of Staff and his Vice President came up with is a win/win for Trump and his bigot buddies. He even got Stephen Miller to write the convoluted speech making it sound like he is a reasonable man. Screw his "base". Govern for the American people and reopen the government without any conditions.
Trump can take that offer and stick it up his big fat wide orange ASS!
Trump will only lie and cheat
Whatever numbers he suggest could easily cost 50 times that amount in REALITY
America SHOULD not negotiate with such a TERRORIST and DICKkkkkkKKKtator
Narcissists NEVER admit fault and are too prideful to accept responsibility for problems they created. Clearly Trump is the poster child for narcissism so you can pretty much guarantee it will take the Dems to give in, or a major catastrophic event to unfold before Trump will open up the government. Expect a major event, possibly false flag, to come any day because Pelosi seems like a Narc too! This is what happens when you give narcissists power. They are never wrong (in their eyes) and will bring everyone down with them in order to save face or place blame elsewhere for their own shit they created! Lets be clear, our government does not give one Fuck about the average citizen. However, they have you so brainwashed into the false left/right paradigm and illusion of choice. You have no choice, they are two sides of the same coin. Petty issues they will always disagree and fight about to keep the illusion going, but major issues that slowly ENSLAVE US they are always in agreement on. We are frogs in a pot. Slowly turn up the heat and we will never know we are being cooked until its too late. We are ALL debt slaves, therefore we cannot do anything about it and must accept the abuse.
2020 for president Trump's.
why do we care to hear all these pundits spit like this? ABC….your news is irrelevant. Go deal in cartoons.
Pelosi was going to be visiting a couple countries but she really does care ab the shutdown?
What is a Moral Issue?
What is the Distinction Between Moral Actions and Nonmoral Actions?
Abstract: A working definition of an issue of moral concern is presented as any issue with the potential to help or harm anyone, including oneself.
I. Hypothesis 1: Moral issues are those which involve a difference of belief and not a matter of preference.
A. On this hypothesis, a moral dispute would involve a factual disagreement (or a disagreement in belief) where one or the other or neither belief is correct. It would not involve a disagreement in attitude (or a disagreement in feeling). [1]
1. On this view, examples of a moral issue would include whether it is right that one speaks truthfully in a particular circumstance or whether one obeys the law in a particular circumstance, as these issues as the rightness or wrongness of the action are assumed to be factually determinable through empirical inquiry.
2. On this hypothesis, a nonmoral issue would involve ceteris paribus issues of personal preference having no empirical consequences of benefit or harm such as which shoe one puts on first in the morning, whether or not one prefers to eat grapefruit for breakfast, or whether or not one prefers to listen to music after dinner c.p. [2]
B. Objection: Many nonmoral issues are factual. This distinction would not be sufficient distinguish between scientific and moral beliefs. For example, the question of whether it is right that the speed of light is always constant is a question of science [3] and is not an ethical issue. As well, the distinction would not be sufficient to distinguish some questions of convention, moral codes, or etiquette from ethical or moral beliefs. E.g. In setting a table, the proper side of the plate a fork is to be placed, is a convention and does not seem to be an ethical or moral issue.
II. Hypothesis 2: Moral issues are those which involve the experience of a special kind of feeling.
A. This feeling is said to differ intuitively from other kinds of feelings such as religious or aesthetic feelings. (E.g., some people think these feelings arise from arise from conscience.)
B. On this hypothesis, such feelings can be those of satisfaction, shame, or guilt.
C. Objection: such feelings depend to a large extent upon how one has been reared and how ones character develops. E.g. ethical feelings deriving from self-judgment or shame seem to be alterable through cognitive behavior therapy. [4]
1. Sociopaths or psychopaths have no such feelings. These terms are informal descriptors for …
"Antisocial personality: A personality disorder characterized by a basic lack of socialization and by behavior patterns that bring the individual repeatedly into conflict with society. People with this disorder are incapable of significant loyalty to individuals, groups, or social values and are grossly selfish, callous, irresponsible, impulsive, and unable to feel guilt or to learn from experience. Frustration tolerance is low. Such individuals tend to blame others or to offer plausible rationalizations for their behavior." [5]
2. Other feelings experienced by some persons can be simply inappropriate. For example, feeling guilty for taking your fair share or feelings of inadequacy due to an inferiority complex, and so forth.
III. Hypothesis 3: Moral issues are those which involve the specific kind of situation where actions affect other people.
A. On this view, essentially, whenever people interact, issues of moral concern would arise.
B. By inference, then, there would be no matters of moral concern for persons such as Robinson Crusoe.
C. Objection: (1) There are self-regarding duties (your first duties are to oneself — e.g., one ought to develop personal habits of courage, and so forth.) (2) Also, not all interactions between or among persons are necessarily of moral concern; some interactions might be morally insignificant. E.g. in some circumstances whether one nods ones head indicating assent or simply states, “Yes” might not be of moral or ethical concern.
1. Interestingly enough, the objection of self-regarding duties is one reason why the Golden Rule cannot be a universal principle of morality. Not all persons wish to treat themselves as we treat ourselves.
2. Depending on ones lifestyle, one has specific duties to oneself. Just as different persons have some different duties to themselves so likewise not all persons would wish to be treated in the same manner.
IV. Hypothesis 4: Moral issues are those actions which have the potential to help or harm others or ourselves.
A. This is the definition we shall take as a working definition for this course. This working definition is a version of consequentialist ethics and has a number of objections which are discussed later in the course.
B. Notice that if we have an issue of moral concern, it might involve something good or evil. (Often, many people assume if an issue is of moral concern then it must an issue involving some wrong action.)
C. On this definition, very few human decisions or actions are not of some moral concern since very few, if any, decisions have no consequences helping or harming ourselves or others. On this view, only decisions with no possible consequences helping or harming would qualify as nonmoral actions. Decisions such as the latter are difficult to imagine. Thus, it may well be that any decision made and any action performed is of some ethical concern.
1. Principles from the physical, biological, and social sciences can be used to determine the potential to help or harm — so, in a sense, our decisions would be only as prudent as our knowledge base.
2. On this view, carelessness, unintentional, and inadvertent actions would also be moral issues. The full explication of the view expressed here would be dependent upon a consistent theory of human action.
3. Is an accident of moral concern? Accidents have causes, and if those causes are a result of a decisions, then it would follow that those accidents would be an issue of moral concern.
4. Sometimes the harm principle (that an individual's action should only be restrained if the action would harm others)[5] is used as the basis for defining the nature of a moral issue. However, it is virtually impossible to imagine all harmful consequences of an action which might affect other persons in some way, given that any action is always be done in situations where all factors cannot be known and controlled.
5. E.g., the drug user who claims he has the right to use drugs because no one else is hurt still has an effect on society at large. The drugs need be acquired somehow and upon use affect the thoughts and behavior of the user, so many other persons are affected in some manner — including, for example, the drug supplier and the user's friends and family who would be indirectly affected.
Notes
1. Clarification on this distinction together with some exercises in making the distinction are provided here: Disagreements in Attitude and Belief with a self-scoring quiz on that topic. ^
2. Ceteris paribus — the “with-other-things-being-equal” clause, is meant to exclude in the first example, cases such as the chemical interference of grapefruit with the efficacy of certain medications, in the second example, cases such as a law conflicting with a different law or with a universal ethical principle, and in the third example, cases, where one or the other foot has a higher probability of a sprain. The difficulty with this view is that practically any matter of fact involving human action regardless of conscious choice would have consequences which have the potential to be ethically good or bad. ^
3. The scientific issue is discussed in Andrew Grant, “Speed of light not a constant afterall,” Science News (February 21, 2015) 187 No.4, 7. ^
4. E. Hedman et al., “Shame and guilt in social anxiety disorder: effects of cognitive behavior therapy and association with social anxiety and depressive symptoms,” PLos One (April 19, 2013) 8 No. 4. ^
5. American Psychiatric Association, A Psychiatric Glossary (New York: Basic Books, 1975), 116. ^
6. E.g., “The only purpose for which power can be rightfully exercised over any member of a civilized community, against his will, is to prevent harm to others.” John Stuart Mill, On Liberty (London: John W. Parker and Son, 1859), 22. ^
When Trump says "BIG ANNOUNCEMENT !! !!" . Its anything but… so sad.
MSM lie so much. Idk where they're getting their information, I can promise that there are a lot more than 29% who strongly support a barrier. Try more than 90% want a secure border. He didn't cause these problems. He's trying to fix the past 20+ yrs problems.
Hoping this shut down continues. There are a lot of things that are going to happen as of a domino effect. And America should now learn the effects of what trusting a government in power does. Why countless riots from France , Brazil, and anywhere else. Take the bottle out of your mouth, wake up.
Trump is offering McDonald's to democrats to stop the shutdown!
1. Actually in VP's interview with Chris Wallace, He said they met with high rank and file Dems to find out what they would support.
2. The refugee problem is because of loop holes in our immigration laws. It existed in Obama's presidency. I remember hearing stories of people sending their kids on trains to the US.
3. If the majority of the country was against the wall, he wouldn't be president. I know what you're thinking. Hillary won the popular vote! So, Trump colluded with Russia to steal the election and Hillary STILL got the popular vote. Gotcha!
4. The Dems won because they presented a better health care plan than house republicans. The number one issue during the mid-terms was health care for the people that voted. And they didn't have historic loses. Obama lost way more seats in his mid-terms. Quit lying!
5. Trump is NOT going to play the "we played Trump" game with re-opening the government without a deal. GIVE IT UP and come to the negotiating table if you REALLY care about the government being open. You all have had 30 days to eek out a deal so far. #wastingtime
6. If they have 60 votes in the senate, this bill will light a fire under house dems asses. They will look like obstructionists with no plan to find a COMPROMISE. Do it our way isn't going to work.
One thing's for sure, a NYT reporter is a bought and paid for DNC propaganda whore.
Build the []]]]]]]]]]]]]] and MAGA! TRUMP 2020 🇺🇸
All are Trump haters . MSM are all jerks .
Reasonable offer, take it and reopen the government.
The fact that the Mueller team responded says the report was wrong to the point of almost slander and may establish a pattern of illegal activity by BuzzFeed reporters
Well said Sir. He's a 1 man negotiation show because he's weak and has NO idea what he's doing. Put people back to work and deal with this after. It's outrageous the decisions that have to affect people who have NOTHING to do this with this. #Trumpshutdown… Period
We Need border security! A Wall in some areas… Infred cameras and drones in others… Border security is real and our Children deserve it, these Democrats Should get that.
When Trump said he would take pride in shutdown the government… **thats when Donald Trump knew he FUCKED UP**
Man, what’s the name of this show? Can’t seem to find it anywhere in the video.
what good is a panel with all liberal pundits and no conservatives to offer counter arguments? Are you arguments so weak they can't stand mild scrutiny?
Trump Destroyed His Credit line with American Banks Why Should Trump Give A Rats Ass about the 800 plus thousand Interracial American Government Workers Credit?!
I agree with everything the white bald man says here… if this was really a crisis why dont u meet with the leaders of these countries? Call em out dont u think ?
29% only support the wall that’s the biggest load of shit I’ve ever heard 😂😂
He’s showing he’s wanting to negotiate or compromise the dems don’t want to compromise they put themselves before the American people fuck the democrats
I've been a loyal conservative Republican for 45 years. IMPEACH THE MOTHERFUCKER!!!
The politics is to dismantle the GOP completely is the easiest way for Putin to rule the world ; remember the war hawks are the republicans and Hillary Rodham Clinton. Tactical advantage for Russia.
political analyst = AKA no real life skills
Trump called Mexicans rapists and criminals when he announced he was running for office. Two years later he's saying the people from Central America are criminals and bringing diseases. That's the only message he is selling.
Trump & Pelosi both need to grow up, however where as Trump makes me roll my eyes, Pelosi's conduct, makes me consider becoming a Republican!!
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Bow to your master Trump..libtards
Well, you got what you voted for. He said he would run the country like he runs his business. Corruption, lies and out of control spending. He has doubled the deficit and robbed every department of their funding to pay for all the shit he is doing. He wants to be a dictator and he doesn't care if it's over a 3rd world country on the brink of financial collapse. That's where he's the most comfortable…taking something for nothing and leaving when things get tough. He has said in regards to all his spending…I wont be here. That's what he thinks about the country and what he is doing to it…he will not be here for the consequences so what does he care. Which tells you not only how he feels about the country of which he is the leader, but also about his family that will be here. He is an empty POS.
It wouldn't be a compromise if some of the base did not love it. Sure you can call it a temporary extension, but any such extension makes a permanent one more likely.
Trump is the voice for the normal working class. Finely after many years jobs come back and pay check go up. Not all can live off blogging. Time too Wake up and see how mutch he loves USA. History will shame the lefts agenda. MAGA
The Black female correspondent couldn't put a blazer on or a suit to match everyone else as a "political corespondent"?
He has nothing to offer. He did shut down the goverment and thats it. Now he has to accept the consequences. We are not in a turkish bazar, Mr. Trump. I can' t see that you are even worried about the security of your country.
Stop with the constant DRAMA you
make out of everything. Don' t behave like a Mafioso. You are now sitting in the W.H., forget your criminal past and act like a honest president. That is what the americans deserve. You are not running your business, where you can decide what to do and how to do it.
Senator Kamala Harris, D. Cali., is running for President in 2020.
No money for the wall!!! Get it from Mexico as you promised
Classic Liberal Media Bias – The program completely forgot to invite ANY viewpoint of Trump Republicanns!!! Just watch the first five mins for proof and tune off!!! Screw legal immigrants who are waiting their turn in the legal immigration line outside the US borders in their home countries for years and years by repeatedly voting for illegals to cut the line and illegally get ahead. This liberal media NEVER covers the viewpoint of legal immigrants whose lives are being trampled upon by illegal-supporting-democrats.
Trump!
You don't want Trump to say it so I will. Your pooling together grasping at any lie you can get to ruin Trump. So I say screw you and just report the truth. Or are you all so immersed in this sludge pool of filthy lies to drag yourselves out.
A laughable non-negotiated "negotiation." Mr. Guiliani's task is socializing America and his base in particular (who dismiss any real life events not covered or delivered on their own state media) to any and every thing he does. Ironically, the same crowd that would have impeached Mr. Obama at the drop of a hat for FAR less. Why? It is because Mr. Trump has tapped into emotional triggers that are widespread due to the unresponsiveness of both political parties to ordinary Americans. They see no alternative. They hope for the future. The GOP has betrayed them BUT they're still hoping their wishes and lives are "right around the corner." The DNC seems to be waking up but no one knows for sure what they stand for — aside from their laundry list appealing to EVERYONE ironically meaning MISSING OUT on most of America's geography. As evidence mounts, "SO WHAT?" is the best hope of Mr. Trump and the 2019 unravelling GOP power….GOP never stands for anything — except kissing the butt of their party leader. A designed for failure to anyone who still has working eyes. Even so, what about the neglected American geography of the DNC? 2018 was a promising start….but no more than a start….WHAT are they going to do for ORDINARY AMERICANS when they control one House of Congress???
Im sorry but where are they getting these percentages from? They said "29% only supported strongly". Who did they survey and how many? I wonder. Also they should start using "in my opinion" rather than trying to make false statements.
The USA is a democracy. The majority of the US has opposed the fence. Why don't these news outlets cover that ?? We defeated a dictator before, at a great loss. Is that what this ineffective Senate wants ? Its time to INVOKE the XXvth !! Rush, Coulter , who cares what these radio hacks say ?? Seriously ??
There's nothing new about his offer. He screwed the daca program and the courts have stopped him, so that's a nothing offer.
The parade of rwnj media personalities has already expressed disapproval.
As soon as Dems even begun to discuss his proposal, the goal posts WILL move.
That's why they won't. He's an untrustworthy negotiator. That's why the Dem house approved GOP funding bills as soon as they could. They'd pass the Senate by a 2/3 majority & they know it.
Rhe GOP is a craven group of political liars under the thrall of a textbook fascist.
Why wouldn't his base love Trump's fake offering? First he cancelled DACA and TPS and now he's willing to wait another 3 years (while its tied up in court anyway) to deport them, in return for a permanent wall. The sneaky plan that Trump, his son-in-law, his Chief of Staff and his Vice President came up with is a win/win for Trump and his bigot buddies. He even got Stephen Miller to write the convoluted speech making it sound like he is a reasonable man. Screw his "base". Govern for the American people and reopen the government without any conditions.
Trump can take that offer and stick it up his big fat wide orange ASS!
Trump will only lie and cheat
Whatever numbers he suggest could easily cost 50 times that amount in REALITY
America SHOULD not negotiate with such a TERRORIST and DICKkkkkkKKKtator
Narcissists NEVER admit fault and are too prideful to accept responsibility for problems they created. Clearly Trump is the poster child for narcissism so you can pretty much guarantee it will take the Dems to give in, or a major catastrophic event to unfold before Trump will open up the government. Expect a major event, possibly false flag, to come any day because Pelosi seems like a Narc too! This is what happens when you give narcissists power. They are never wrong (in their eyes) and will bring everyone down with them in order to save face or place blame elsewhere for their own shit they created! Lets be clear, our government does not give one Fuck about the average citizen. However, they have you so brainwashed into the false left/right paradigm and illusion of choice. You have no choice, they are two sides of the same coin. Petty issues they will always disagree and fight about to keep the illusion going, but major issues that slowly ENSLAVE US they are always in agreement on. We are frogs in a pot. Slowly turn up the heat and we will never know we are being cooked until its too late. We are ALL debt slaves, therefore we cannot do anything about it and must accept the abuse.
2020 for president Trump's.
why do we care to hear all these pundits spit like this? ABC….your news is irrelevant. Go deal in cartoons.
Pelosi was going to be visiting a couple countries but she really does care ab the shutdown?
What is a Moral Issue?
What is the Distinction Between Moral Actions and Nonmoral Actions?
Abstract: A working definition of an issue of moral concern is presented as any issue with the potential to help or harm anyone, including oneself.
I. Hypothesis 1: Moral issues are those which involve a difference of belief and not a matter of preference.
A. On this hypothesis, a moral dispute would involve a factual disagreement (or a disagreement in belief) where one or the other or neither belief is correct. It would not involve a disagreement in attitude (or a disagreement in feeling). [1]
1. On this view, examples of a moral issue would include whether it is right that one speaks truthfully in a particular circumstance or whether one obeys the law in a particular circumstance, as these issues as the rightness or wrongness of the action are assumed to be factually determinable through empirical inquiry.
2. On this hypothesis, a nonmoral issue would involve ceteris paribus issues of personal preference having no empirical consequences of benefit or harm such as which shoe one puts on first in the morning, whether or not one prefers to eat grapefruit for breakfast, or whether or not one prefers to listen to music after dinner c.p. [2]
B. Objection: Many nonmoral issues are factual. This distinction would not be sufficient distinguish between scientific and moral beliefs. For example, the question of whether it is right that the speed of light is always constant is a question of science [3] and is not an ethical issue. As well, the distinction would not be sufficient to distinguish some questions of convention, moral codes, or etiquette from ethical or moral beliefs. E.g. In setting a table, the proper side of the plate a fork is to be placed, is a convention and does not seem to be an ethical or moral issue.
II. Hypothesis 2: Moral issues are those which involve the experience of a special kind of feeling.
A. This feeling is said to differ intuitively from other kinds of feelings such as religious or aesthetic feelings. (E.g., some people think these feelings arise from arise from conscience.)
B. On this hypothesis, such feelings can be those of satisfaction, shame, or guilt.
C. Objection: such feelings depend to a large extent upon how one has been reared and how ones character develops. E.g. ethical feelings deriving from self-judgment or shame seem to be alterable through cognitive behavior therapy. [4]
1. Sociopaths or psychopaths have no such feelings. These terms are informal descriptors for …
"Antisocial personality: A personality disorder characterized by a basic lack of socialization and by behavior patterns that bring the individual repeatedly into conflict with society. People with this disorder are incapable of significant loyalty to individuals, groups, or social values and are grossly selfish, callous, irresponsible, impulsive, and unable to feel guilt or to learn from experience. Frustration tolerance is low. Such individuals tend to blame others or to offer plausible rationalizations for their behavior." [5]
2. Other feelings experienced by some persons can be simply inappropriate. For example, feeling guilty for taking your fair share or feelings of inadequacy due to an inferiority complex, and so forth.
III. Hypothesis 3: Moral issues are those which involve the specific kind of situation where actions affect other people.
A. On this view, essentially, whenever people interact, issues of moral concern would arise.
B. By inference, then, there would be no matters of moral concern for persons such as Robinson Crusoe.
C. Objection: (1) There are self-regarding duties (your first duties are to oneself — e.g., one ought to develop personal habits of courage, and so forth.) (2) Also, not all interactions between or among persons are necessarily of moral concern; some interactions might be morally insignificant. E.g. in some circumstances whether one nods ones head indicating assent or simply states, “Yes” might not be of moral or ethical concern.
1. Interestingly enough, the objection of self-regarding duties is one reason why the Golden Rule cannot be a universal principle of morality. Not all persons wish to treat themselves as we treat ourselves.
2. Depending on ones lifestyle, one has specific duties to oneself. Just as different persons have some different duties to themselves so likewise not all persons would wish to be treated in the same manner.
IV. Hypothesis 4: Moral issues are those actions which have the potential to help or harm others or ourselves.
A. This is the definition we shall take as a working definition for this course. This working definition is a version of consequentialist ethics and has a number of objections which are discussed later in the course.
B. Notice that if we have an issue of moral concern, it might involve something good or evil. (Often, many people assume if an issue is of moral concern then it must an issue involving some wrong action.)
C. On this definition, very few human decisions or actions are not of some moral concern since very few, if any, decisions have no consequences helping or harming ourselves or others. On this view, only decisions with no possible consequences helping or harming would qualify as nonmoral actions. Decisions such as the latter are difficult to imagine. Thus, it may well be that any decision made and any action performed is of some ethical concern.
1. Principles from the physical, biological, and social sciences can be used to determine the potential to help or harm — so, in a sense, our decisions would be only as prudent as our knowledge base.
2. On this view, carelessness, unintentional, and inadvertent actions would also be moral issues. The full explication of the view expressed here would be dependent upon a consistent theory of human action.
3. Is an accident of moral concern? Accidents have causes, and if those causes are a result of a decisions, then it would follow that those accidents would be an issue of moral concern.
4. Sometimes the harm principle (that an individual's action should only be restrained if the action would harm others)[5] is used as the basis for defining the nature of a moral issue. However, it is virtually impossible to imagine all harmful consequences of an action which might affect other persons in some way, given that any action is always be done in situations where all factors cannot be known and controlled.
5. E.g., the drug user who claims he has the right to use drugs because no one else is hurt still has an effect on society at large. The drugs need be acquired somehow and upon use affect the thoughts and behavior of the user, so many other persons are affected in some manner — including, for example, the drug supplier and the user's friends and family who would be indirectly affected.
Notes
1. Clarification on this distinction together with some exercises in making the distinction are provided here: Disagreements in Attitude and Belief with a self-scoring quiz on that topic. ^
2. Ceteris paribus — the “with-other-things-being-equal” clause, is meant to exclude in the first example, cases such as the chemical interference of grapefruit with the efficacy of certain medications, in the second example, cases such as a law conflicting with a different law or with a universal ethical principle, and in the third example, cases, where one or the other foot has a higher probability of a sprain. The difficulty with this view is that practically any matter of fact involving human action regardless of conscious choice would have consequences which have the potential to be ethically good or bad. ^
3. The scientific issue is discussed in Andrew Grant, “Speed of light not a constant afterall,” Science News (February 21, 2015) 187 No.4, 7. ^
4. E. Hedman et al., “Shame and guilt in social anxiety disorder: effects of cognitive behavior therapy and association with social anxiety and depressive symptoms,” PLos One (April 19, 2013) 8 No. 4. ^
5. American Psychiatric Association, A Psychiatric Glossary (New York: Basic Books, 1975), 116. ^
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When Trump says "BIG ANNOUNCEMENT !! !!" . Its anything but… so sad.
MSM lie so much. Idk where they're getting their information, I can promise that there are a lot more than 29% who strongly support a barrier. Try more than 90% want a secure border. He didn't cause these problems. He's trying to fix the past 20+ yrs problems.
Hoping this shut down continues. There are a lot of things that are going to happen as of a domino effect. And America should now learn the effects of what trusting a government in power does. Why countless riots from France , Brazil, and anywhere else. Take the bottle out of your mouth, wake up.
Trump is offering McDonald's to democrats to stop the shutdown!
1. Actually in VP's interview with Chris Wallace, He said they met with high rank and file Dems to find out what they would support.
2. The refugee problem is because of loop holes in our immigration laws. It existed in Obama's presidency. I remember hearing stories of people sending their kids on trains to the US.
3. If the majority of the country was against the wall, he wouldn't be president. I know what you're thinking. Hillary won the popular vote! So, Trump colluded with Russia to steal the election and Hillary STILL got the popular vote. Gotcha!
4. The Dems won because they presented a better health care plan than house republicans. The number one issue during the mid-terms was health care for the people that voted. And they didn't have historic loses. Obama lost way more seats in his mid-terms. Quit lying!
5. Trump is NOT going to play the "we played Trump" game with re-opening the government without a deal. GIVE IT UP and come to the negotiating table if you REALLY care about the government being open. You all have had 30 days to eek out a deal so far. #wastingtime
6. If they have 60 votes in the senate, this bill will light a fire under house dems asses. They will look like obstructionists with no plan to find a COMPROMISE. Do it our way isn't going to work.
7. I'm done at 3:22.
One thing's for sure, a NYT reporter is a bought and paid for DNC propaganda whore.
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All are Trump haters . MSM are all jerks .
Reasonable offer, take it and reopen the government.
The fact that the Mueller team responded says the report was wrong to the point of almost slander and may establish a pattern of illegal activity by BuzzFeed reporters
Well said Sir. He's a 1 man negotiation show because he's weak and has NO idea what he's doing. Put people back to work and deal with this after. It's outrageous the decisions that have to affect people who have NOTHING to do this with this. #Trumpshutdown… Period
We Need border security! A Wall in some areas… Infred cameras and drones in others… Border security is real and our Children deserve it, these Democrats Should get that.
When Trump said he would take pride in shutdown the government…
**thats when Donald Trump knew he FUCKED UP**
Man, what’s the name of this show? Can’t seem to find it anywhere in the video.
what good is a panel with all liberal pundits and no conservatives to offer counter arguments? Are you arguments so weak they can't stand mild scrutiny?
Trump Destroyed His Credit line with American Banks Why Should Trump Give A Rats Ass about the 800 plus thousand Interracial American Government Workers Credit?!
I agree with everything the white bald man says here… if this was really a crisis why dont u meet with the leaders of these countries? Call em out dont u think ?
29% only support the wall that’s the biggest load of shit I’ve ever heard 😂😂
He’s showing he’s wanting to negotiate or compromise the dems don’t want to compromise they put themselves before the American people fuck the democrats
I've been a loyal conservative Republican for 45 years. IMPEACH THE MOTHERFUCKER!!!
The politics is to dismantle the GOP completely is the easiest way for Putin to rule the world ; remember the war hawks are the republicans and Hillary Rodham Clinton. Tactical advantage for Russia.
political analyst = AKA no real life skills
Trump called Mexicans rapists and criminals when he announced he was running for office. Two years later he's saying the people from Central America are criminals and bringing diseases. That's the only message he is selling.
Trump & Pelosi both need to grow up, however where as Trump makes me roll my eyes, Pelosi's conduct, makes me consider becoming a Republican!!
NO Deal with the hostage taker?